With the Champions League matches themselves not providing too many fireworks, Miguel Delaney and Jonathan Wilson join us for some Champions League meta-discussion instead.

It feels like the world’s top football competition has lost something – but why? What are the mistakes UEFA made along the way? Is there anything they can do to change things for the better? And why, despite these concerns, are US investors continuing to pump billions into European football?

Plus there’s the Irish Women’s Euro 2025 qualifier draw horror show, Permutations Man, The St Pat’s Franchise, and the strongest fingers in the world.

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